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	<description>Structure trumps scale, structure is strategy. . . . . . Alliance begins with strategic conversation. . . . . . . Let&#039;s talk.</description>
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		<title>Comment on Barnett, you magnificent dunderhead, I&#8217;ve read all your books! by Larry Dunbar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Larry Dunbar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Oct 2011 15:16:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You go to war with what you have, not with what you need, but then one shouldn&#039;t advertise what you have, just saying....
Actually, you&#039;re expressing what I have been wondering about. It doesn&#039;t seem like all those think-tank with all those great minds and seemingly great money are getting us anywhere strategically in the world. Using all those great minds of students in the academia also seem wrong-headed, i.e. they are bright but largely ignorant. So, open-source seems to be the place to start, but what is the end and means?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You go to war with what you have, not with what you need, but then one shouldn&#8217;t advertise what you have, just saying&#8230;.<br />
Actually, you&#8217;re expressing what I have been wondering about. It doesn&#8217;t seem like all those think-tank with all those great minds and seemingly great money are getting us anywhere strategically in the world. Using all those great minds of students in the academia also seem wrong-headed, i.e. they are bright but largely ignorant. So, open-source seems to be the place to start, but what is the end and means?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Midnight in the War on Terror by Critt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Critt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jul 2011 17:05:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s an interesting question, Larry. I don&#039;t have the language yet, but I&#039;m working on it. This much I&#039;m certain, the context is to be found in the space between &quot;war&quot; and &quot;that which comes next&quot;, a transition from violence to non-violence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s an interesting question, Larry. I don&#8217;t have the language yet, but I&#8217;m working on it. This much I&#8217;m certain, the context is to be found in the space between &#8220;war&#8221; and &#8220;that which comes next&#8221;, a transition from violence to non-violence.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Midnight in the War on Terror by Larry Dunbar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Larry Dunbar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jul 2011 16:40:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This context being honor, interest, and fear, or something other, more open-sourced?</description>
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		<title>Comment on The Art of Grand Narrative: Sun Puddles by Critt Jarvis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Critt Jarvis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jul 2011 20:32:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Superb comments, Charles. I&#039;m passing your thoughts on to Venkat. Thanks!</description>
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		<title>Comment on The Art of Grand Narrative: Sun Puddles by Charles Cameron (hipbone)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charles Cameron (hipbone)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jun 2011 15:34:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Critt:

I hadn&#039;t wanted to get into an art-historical tussle with someone who may not be reading your blog in any case and can&#039;t defend their choices -- so I didn&#039;t comment before on the &quot;Grand Narrative&quot; m-curve with its strange peaks for Nefertiti and the Mona Lisa, its disdain for icons and Romanticism, and so forth – but really…

I don&#039;t think it serves our purpose -- the &quot;map&quot; simply doesn&#039;t correspond well with the territory.

*

From my point of view it&#039;s so obviously designed around a set of personal preferences and prejudices as to be a serious distraction from the points you&#039;re making about narrative and its social importance.

Consider: how would one arrange the &quot;grand narrative&quot; to include the composers – say, Palestrina 1526 – 1594, Monteverdi 1567 – 1643, Vivaldi 1678 – 1741, Bach 1685 – 1750,  Handel 1685 – 1759, Mozart 1756 – 1791, Beethoven 1770 – 1827, Wagner 1813 – 1883, Verdi 1813 – 1901, Brahms 1833 – 1897, Tchaikovsky 1840 – 1893, and Mahler 1860 – 1911?  

Or the painters for that matter, including say Giotto 1266 - 1337, Rublyev 1370 -1430 --  who makes an absolute mockery of the diagram&#039;s flatline for &quot;religious icons&quot; single-handed -- Leonardo 1452 – 1519, Michelangelo 1475 – 1564, El Greco 1541 – 1614, Bosch ca 1450 - 1516, Rembrandt 1606 – 1669… and on up to Warhol -- does he belong?  

Could we include non-westerners in what must by now be looking more like a Himalayas than a Bactrian camel? I mean, what about Hokusai 1760 – 1849?

And turning to the poets, with a similar global scope… After Homer, Sophocles and so forth among the Greeks and Vergil, Catullus and others among the Romans, there&#039;s Kalidasa ca 500, Li Po 701-762, Rumi 1207 - 1273, Dante 1265-1321, Shakespeare 1564 – 1623, Milton 1608 - 1674, Basho 1644-1694, Goethe 1749 -1832, Blake 1757 - 1827, Yeats 1865 -1939, Rilke 1875 – 1926…

I don&#039;t mean to disparage Paglia, who turns an interesting mind onto a variety of topics and comes up with conclusions and suggestions that provoke thought, even if one&#039;s thought differs from hers, nor indeed Venkat, whose book I am eager to read following Zenpundit&#039;s and Scott Shipman&#039;s applause -- just to say that an evaluation such as Paglia&#039;s will seem as wrong to some people as it seems right to others.

Jeff Conklin has a brilliant diagram in which he shows the &quot;Pattern of cognitive activity of one designer - the “jagged” line&quot; -- it&#039;s figure 2 in his &quot;wicked problems&quot; .pdf:

http://cognexus.org/wpf/wickedproblems.pdf

I suspect a &quot;fair&quot; telling of the art narrative would be closer to a &quot;jagged Freytag&quot; -- but where its broader trends would go down and up would be very much a matter of taste.

Bach&#039;s Matthew Passion, probably first performed in 1727, was almost entirely unknown outside Leipzig, and bach himself largely forgotten, until Mendelssohn revived it -- and Bach&#039;s reputation -- in 1829.

If there are large trends within the jagged ranges of the arts -- and I expect there are -- then one of the problems of mapping them will be that what one counts as a valley and what as a peak will depend on where one is on the slopes -- because the emergence of one new peak often causes the subsidence of another.

It&#039;s a highly volcanic part of the world...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Critt:</p>
<p>I hadn&#8217;t wanted to get into an art-historical tussle with someone who may not be reading your blog in any case and can&#8217;t defend their choices &#8212; so I didn&#8217;t comment before on the &#8220;Grand Narrative&#8221; m-curve with its strange peaks for Nefertiti and the Mona Lisa, its disdain for icons and Romanticism, and so forth – but really…</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think it serves our purpose &#8212; the &#8220;map&#8221; simply doesn&#8217;t correspond well with the territory.</p>
<p>*</p>
<p>From my point of view it&#8217;s so obviously designed around a set of personal preferences and prejudices as to be a serious distraction from the points you&#8217;re making about narrative and its social importance.</p>
<p>Consider: how would one arrange the &#8220;grand narrative&#8221; to include the composers – say, Palestrina 1526 – 1594, Monteverdi 1567 – 1643, Vivaldi 1678 – 1741, Bach 1685 – 1750,  Handel 1685 – 1759, Mozart 1756 – 1791, Beethoven 1770 – 1827, Wagner 1813 – 1883, Verdi 1813 – 1901, Brahms 1833 – 1897, Tchaikovsky 1840 – 1893, and Mahler 1860 – 1911?  </p>
<p>Or the painters for that matter, including say Giotto 1266 &#8211; 1337, Rublyev 1370 -1430 &#8212;  who makes an absolute mockery of the diagram&#8217;s flatline for &#8220;religious icons&#8221; single-handed &#8212; Leonardo 1452 – 1519, Michelangelo 1475 – 1564, El Greco 1541 – 1614, Bosch ca 1450 &#8211; 1516, Rembrandt 1606 – 1669… and on up to Warhol &#8212; does he belong?  </p>
<p>Could we include non-westerners in what must by now be looking more like a Himalayas than a Bactrian camel? I mean, what about Hokusai 1760 – 1849?</p>
<p>And turning to the poets, with a similar global scope… After Homer, Sophocles and so forth among the Greeks and Vergil, Catullus and others among the Romans, there&#8217;s Kalidasa ca 500, Li Po 701-762, Rumi 1207 &#8211; 1273, Dante 1265-1321, Shakespeare 1564 – 1623, Milton 1608 &#8211; 1674, Basho 1644-1694, Goethe 1749 -1832, Blake 1757 &#8211; 1827, Yeats 1865 -1939, Rilke 1875 – 1926…</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t mean to disparage Paglia, who turns an interesting mind onto a variety of topics and comes up with conclusions and suggestions that provoke thought, even if one&#8217;s thought differs from hers, nor indeed Venkat, whose book I am eager to read following Zenpundit&#8217;s and Scott Shipman&#8217;s applause &#8212; just to say that an evaluation such as Paglia&#8217;s will seem as wrong to some people as it seems right to others.</p>
<p>Jeff Conklin has a brilliant diagram in which he shows the &#8220;Pattern of cognitive activity of one designer &#8211; the “jagged” line&#8221; &#8212; it&#8217;s figure 2 in his &#8220;wicked problems&#8221; .pdf:</p>
<p><a href="http://cognexus.org/wpf/wickedproblems.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://cognexus.org/wpf/wickedproblems.pdf</a></p>
<p>I suspect a &#8220;fair&#8221; telling of the art narrative would be closer to a &#8220;jagged Freytag&#8221; &#8212; but where its broader trends would go down and up would be very much a matter of taste.</p>
<p>Bach&#8217;s Matthew Passion, probably first performed in 1727, was almost entirely unknown outside Leipzig, and bach himself largely forgotten, until Mendelssohn revived it &#8212; and Bach&#8217;s reputation &#8212; in 1829.</p>
<p>If there are large trends within the jagged ranges of the arts &#8212; and I expect there are &#8212; then one of the problems of mapping them will be that what one counts as a valley and what as a peak will depend on where one is on the slopes &#8212; because the emergence of one new peak often causes the subsidence of another.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a highly volcanic part of the world&#8230;</p>
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